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Still coming to terms with the concept of manipulation

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 Still coming to terms with the concept of manipulation because of 2 incompatible beliefs: > manipulation is everywhere; > manipulation is wrong. - > If manipulation is morally wrong and it is everywhere, including your behaviour, then you are imoral - I believe there are 2 ways to get something done: > Psyop people into wanting to do it; > Make it so that doing it is easier than not doing it; Most things in life are about human coordination. > coordination requires persuasion. Where do you draw the moral line between persuasion and manipulation?   If they were the same thing then either getting things done would be immoral or manipulation is not bad. There must be a line between persuasion and manipulation. Right now to me that line is set by wether you act in good or bad faith. - Blurry asked "What’s the difference between manipulate and influence?" and said that "“ Manipulate” suggests something perverse ." João said that "Manipulation is ...